Talk:Empyreans
It seems there is a lot of misunderstanding written here. It reads like it's written from memory after playing the game once, which is expected. I suggest anyone who wants to improve it remind themselves of pretty much the only lore we actually have on Empyreans which is this conversation with Ranni https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSmVuvF9qLQ In there it's pretty clear "Empyrean" isn't a race at all but a title for people who might one day replace Marika as "the god of the age" . All the Empyreans were "selected", and Ranni says she was "once" an Empyrean. If they were a race, you wouldn't need to select them at all, an Empyrean would be an Empyrean. This means the status of "Empyrean" is given to somebody once they are chosen by Two Fingers, to succeed Marika. Greatot (talk) 02:37, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
From the video: I Stole the Rune of Death, slew mine own Empyrean flesh, casting it away. Also, she never said she was chosen to be an Empyrean, she and the other two were chosen to succeed Marika which means that in order to be a successor, you need to be an Empyrean, just as Marika. Everything we have seems to imply that Empyreans are born. Malenia was born with Scarlet Rot, Miquella was born with a curse of eternal childhood, might just be because of who their parents were, or it might be regarding their own status as Empyreans. Then there is the fact that each Empyrean we know of are associated with an Outer God by way of the Formless Mother, Scarlet Rot God, Dark Moon God, and the Greater Will.
Also: Milicent
Queen Marika and her King Consort Radagon were blessed with twin demigods, and Malenia was one of them.
She was born an Empyrean, carrying the scarlet rot.
An Empyrean...is no mere demigod.
In the age of the Elden Ring, and Queen Marika, the precious Empyrean was born. A new god to forge a new Order.
Since Malenia fought Radahn, and the great scarlet flower blossomed in Aeonia, I have dedicated myself to her.
And to the resplendence of the Order of Rot. The cycle of decay and rebirth.
Maliketh Rememberence
Maliketh was a shadowbound beast given to his Empyrean. Marika's sole need of her shadow was a vessel to lock away Destined Death. Even then, she betrayed him
Overall, "Empyrean" just seems like a term for people who are born with a connection to a Outer God and it is carved (metaphorically or literally) into their flesh. Wouldn't be surprised if the Marika and Radagon situation is their version of Miquella and Malenia's. Segral (talk) 05:40, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Her Empyrean flesh simply means that the body of an Empyrean is different from a normal body, which is pretty clear considering they are meant as vessels for "Order" and potentially becoming the highest god. It's a physical feat more than anything. Somebody being born an Empyrean can mean that they are born into being candidates for the throne.
"In the age of the Elden Ring, and Queen Marika, the precious Empyrean was born. A new god to forge a new Order." "Empyrean" is used in the same sense as "heir". Empyrean is best compared to an heir to Marika, this could be like saying "an heir is born". Why? Because he instantly suggests this Empyrean Malenia would be the new god, which we know only one is chosen for. So he is not just stating facts, but rather just assuming the future of the character.
But most fundamentally to the argument, Empyreans are only ever mentioned directly as heirs to Marika. There is no Empyrean who is not directly a candidate to succeeding Marika. When Ranni talks about "Empyreans", she says how, among demigods, there are only these 3, and in the same breath mentions how they all were chosen by their own Two Fingers to succeed Marika. It'd be very strange to write this if you're writing that the status of Empyrean is separate from the succession, because you're adding a completely unnecessary layer to the characters.
Further evidence is Iji talking about the "dark path of the Empyrean" that Ranni is on. The only path she was on was to begin a new age. Greatot (talk) 06:28, 16 March 2022 (UTC)